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[Season 02] Recycling - 2006/03/24 13:15 Re-watching this one while writing up the summary has been the toughest episode for me yet. Recycling is mandatory in my town, as well as using a green bin for all natural waste (food scraps, non-recyclable papers, etc), and I am a strict adherent. Like P&T said, it makes me feel better, because I think I'm helping the environment, which is turns out I'm not. *sigh* Good episode, made me think!
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Doug
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 Re:[Season 02] Recycling - 2006/03/24 15:37 Don't worry, P&T got a lot of their facts wrong on that show. Recyclables like plastic are in high demand and used for a lot more products than they claimed on their show, as is glass and other items.

Their biggest mistake, which should have been caught by everyone, was their claim that there are more trees in America now than there was in 1930. Of course we did add a lot more states then including Alaska which is almost half as big as the continential U.S.
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Re:[Season 02] Recycling - 2006/03/24 16:50 actually there are more trees because of paper production and silviculture forests. i'm reading the skeptical enviromentalist (the autor was on bs episode about enviromental hysteria) and it is a great book specially for BS fans, the book debunks a lot of stuff that is blabbed to us all the time
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Doug
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 Re:[Season 02] Recycling - 2006/03/25 14:55 The Skeptical Inquirer did a review of that book and found that the book had it's share of BS.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2843/is_6_26/ai_94044236

Also P&T should really get more information than simply interviewing a lobbyist paid by the logging industry to get information about recycling. The intense demand for recycled paper has encouraged the demand for localized paper mills. Since paper mills no longer need to be located near forests far away from the consumers the mills can be located near the source of supply and near the consumer hence removing the distant transportation costs found with virgin paper mills. Neither is a long wait needed for materials.

Tree farms also fall under agriculture and receive government subsidies lower the costs of production. That's also some P&T didn't mention in their show. Florida recived over $6.6 million in subsidies for tree farms in 2001.

P&T also used outdated calculations of the cost of reycling in New York. P&T took the initial costs of the recycling program and failed to take into account the current costs. The costs of beginning a program are often higher than the costs of a program five or 10 years down the road. Selecting the figures you want is statitically dishonest and, as Penn would say, bullshit.
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