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EvilN8
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Re:fans of penn (and teller) who do believe in god - 2006/01/20 11:15If you said you were a Southern Baptist chiropractor, member of Peta, and reguarly talk to your dead great-grandmother via your family psychic while bending spoons with your mind in your free time I would be surprised. Believe in god? Not so much.. just out of curiosity.. why do you believe in god?
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melvin7506
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Re:fans of penn (and teller) who do believe in god - 2006/05/02 20:59i think that deism pretty much is what i call my belief.
Good for you deism leads to agnosticism which leads to atheism (if you prefer logic to faith). The founding fathers believed in deism.
I like deism because unlike other religions, they don't call for the killing of atheist. (or at least that is my understanding)
One question for you: According to the diesm vs. atheism page you sited it says
" There is absolutely nothing known to man that created itself. For example, if someone shows us a computer, and tells us that all the individual parts that make up the computer just came about by chance, that they somehow just formed into a perfectly working computer system all by themselves, we would be foolish to believe that person. Reason, if we use it, won't let us believe a statement like that. Likewise, if someone tells us the ever growing creation and its perfect order "happened" by pure chance, we are under no obligation to believe them. From our own experience we know everything created has a creator. Why then should the creation itself be different? There is, however, one quality the creation has that makes leaving its existence to chance even more remote.
This sounds like the camron banana argument. do Diest believe in eveloution???
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Daz_Genetic
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Re:fans of penn (and teller) who do believe in god - 2006/05/04 02:21Deism is a cop-out. Just because something is a statistical improbable, doesn't make it impossible.
Imagine life is like a raffle with an infinite (or just unimaginable) number of tickets. Each ticket leads to nothingness, but one lucky ticket leads to life as we know it. If we hadn't won the raffle, someone else would have, and they too would be in your position, questioning the improbability of it all. The only reason we are even able to question it, is because we won. If we hadn't, we wouldn't be around to ask questions. As statistically "impossible" as everything is, it happened. Deal with it.
Trying to justify a ridiculous belief by suggesting that they aren't revealing themselves, doesn't make the argument any less ridiculous.
If the universe has to have been created, then the creator had to have been created too. That's just logic. No matter what way you swing it, something has to have been around forever, so every creation argument falls apart when you use a Deist's favorite word, "Reason". Why can't you accept that something didn't have to be created to exist.
If infinity exists at all, that means that everything is statisitcally impossible, yet also a statistical certainty.
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Wonko the Sane
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Re:fans of penn (and teller) who do believe in god - 2006/05/04 03:44Well put Daz_Genetic, that is Stephen hawking's argument. If the universe formed in such a way that it couldn't support life as we know it we wouldn't be around to point out how probable that outcome was. Instead we are only able to point out the improbability of life existing in a universe that was so improbable that live could form to point out its own improbableness.
I hate when creationist use the “what are the odds?” argument because they try to ratify the improbable event (life forming naturally) with an even more improbable assumption (some sentient being created it)
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theantitheist?
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Re:fans of penn (and teller) who do believe in god - 2006/05/04 14:48there is an awesome 3 part series that the bbc did a couple years back with Jonathan Miller called "Disbelief: A brief history of atheism" there are a few torrents around on the uk servers. anyways it goes through the whole deist, agnostic, period, and introduces (my name) which is an antitheist.. for I am actually against religion and i feel it only continues to spread hate and needless suffering and, like penn's episode yesterday, most people think i'm just angry at everything and i have no morals/ethics etc. just a thought.
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Wonko the Sane
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Re:fans of penn (and teller) who do believe in god - 2006/05/04 19:21theantitheist? wrote: there is an awesome 3 part series that the bbc did a couple years back with Jonathan Miller called "Disbelief: A brief history of atheism" there are a few torrents around on the uk servers. anyways it goes through the whole deist, agnostic, period, and introduces (my name) which is an antitheist.. for I am actually against religion and i feel it only continues to spread hate and needless suffering and, like penn's episode yesterday, most people think i'm just angry at everything and i have no morals/ethics etc. just a thought.
If you could post links to the torrents on the forum I'm sure alot of poeple here would enjoy that.
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theantitheist
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Re:fans of penn (and teller) who do believe in god - 2006/05/04 21:15sure thing.. the first is the actual series part 1 of 3
